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Story 6: Mrs. McGuffin's Corpse

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Posted by jasonblue, 9:43pm, 11 Sep, 2005

Don't worry, the story was only partly ruined :P

Seriously, forensics is indeed on the docket for story #6. Certain characters (i can't say who) , in addition to investigating an unsolved murder, will also dissect their past aspirations and do some routine procedural soul-searching that won't stop UNTIL SOMEONE IS DEAD!!!... okay, it's something like that but without the violence.

Posted by manigen, 5:32pm, 12 Sep, 2005

Well now everyone knows the title already I guess it's alright for me to point out that it's a hitchcock reference. The director coined the name McGuffin to refer to the thing in a story that everyone chases after, so the thing that keeps the plot moving. So not only is it the title, it's also a clue!

Posted by venusEnvy, 6:22pm, 12 Sep, 2005

I know someone whose family name is McGuffin, and he would be vexed to hear that Hitchcock had "coined" his name. ;P

Sounds like you're actually describing a red herring.

Posted by smjjames, 6:48pm, 12 Sep, 2005

It may just be the name of the person who is the dead body, but considering the way Jason has been doing the stories, it very well could be a clue about a red herring.

but we won't really know which one it would be until we see the first chapter of the story.
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Posted by manigen, 5:20am, 13 Sep, 2005

If you 'coin' a name or phrase it doesn't mean you created it, it just means you first put it to that use. The word McGuffin exists just as a name, but Hitchcock coined it's use as a plot device, see?
And the McGuffin doesn't necessarily mean a red herring, although it may be one as well. The McGuffifn is just the item or person that drives the plot.
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Posted by venusEnvy, 8:27pm, 13 Sep, 2005

Yes, if you "coin" a name, it does mean you've created it.

I want others to know just exactly what you're saying, because I understand what you're trying to say. Coining something means you've created it from scratch. Creating a new meaning from something that already exists isn't "coining" it. What you truly meant was that he coined the TERM McGuffin, as quoted herewith:

The term ‘MacGuffin’ was coined by Hitchcock’s Scottish friend, screenwriter Angus MacPhail, for something that sets the film’s plot revolving around it. It’s really just an excuse and a diversion (i.e., a red herring -- vE). In a whimsical anecdote told by Hitchcock, he compared the MacGuffin to a mythical ‘apparatus for trapping lions in the Scottish Highlands’. In other words, it could be anything - or nothing - at all. -- Ken Mogg 'The Alfred Hitchcock Story' UK edition, 1999, p. 101

P.S., as a born member of an elite Scotch-Irish family, I know that no one currently can "coin" a name of said heritage without being beaten to a pulp. ;) *smooches!*
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Posted by jasonblue, 11:59pm, 13 Sep, 2005

See what a good McGuffin the new title is? Already it's driving this thread :P

Posted by rora123, 1:49am, 14 Sep, 2005

i bet while they dig up the books in the extra graves...they find this so called mrs. mcguffin corpse and then to the start of the new mystery and who she really is!

Posted by smjjames, 2:23am, 14 Sep, 2005

And Kibbles has been confirmed as a paper mammal. If Kibbles was his species Einstien of his time, then Turnip must be similar for his generation, remember in the first story that Turnip said Barlow had taught him how to talk. Considering the life span of Kibbles, its possible Turnip could be Kibbles grandson or his great-grandson, or a great-realtive. We don't know if Kibbles had any relations or whether he had sired some pups (er, Jason, should we call Paper mammal babies, pups, cubs, just plain babies, or something else?).

Somehow I find some sort of similarity between the Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Spidercliff Book of the Dead. Jason may have taken inspiration from the Egyptain one.

Posted by manigen, 5:23am, 14 Sep, 2005

You're quite right VenusEnvy, I should watch my english more carefully. There is a difference between coining a word and coining a phrase, and I apologise to any McGuffins out there.
It still needn't refer to a red herring though. After all the McGuffin in The Lady Vanishes was the old lady, and the McGuffin in the 49 Steps was the 49 Steps. In neither case was the McGuffin a red herring. All that matters is that everyone chases around after it like perculiarly single minded headless chickens for the duration of the story.

Posted by smjjames, 11:36am, 14 Sep, 2005

and I bet the 'Mcguffin' are the books, and the corpse part is related to where they are hidden.

Posted by LegendaryNAS, 12:19pm, 14 Sep, 2005

I think you guys might be reading a little bit too much into it right now.

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